Comments from HorseyDave:
Get a life you lot - You are all guilty of discrediting this site. NO 8mm/9mm bullets found. NO den found, and if you really do think that they all got together and planned the whole thing, read his fathers will.
I imagine that if i asked you all to describe JB you'd all have the idea that he was a "simple farmers son, he worked on the farm, toiled all day, joined in the village fete, attended church, oh what a charming boy" !!!!!!!!
WRONG WRONG WRONG
And IF he hadnt been locked up and he was out today, he wouldnt of given you the time of day - He was "above his station", he thought himself far too important to talk to the likes of us, he was a playboy, he drove around like a nutter, he took drugs, showed no respect for the farm as a working farm, and if, as did happen on more than one occasion when i was there, if it was his turn to check on the heifers, or drive the combine, one of us would always get a late night phonecall saying he was stuck in London (ie too busy partying to give a toss about the farm)
1. Shelia DID not shoot herself. Either JB shot them all, or another unknown person, there are NO other possibilities, and it makes me cross that intelligent sensible people are concocting just rubbish so as to support there crazy ideas.
2. For Kaldin and others lets set out the house and pantry/cubboard/scullery for once and for all - WHF was originally built on a 'T' classic design. Front rooms, Front bedrooms across the front, and on the end of the "T" piece stands the kitchen, with a chimney stack on its gable end. At some point a extension was added on to that gable end, it had its own door into the yard, its own chimney stack, and its own staircase. It was originally the cowmans cottage. At some later date a door between the main house kitchen (right of the Aga) was knocked through. If you go through that door today you will enter the farm office, to the right of that room is a slim wooden staircase leading to a bathroom and 2 bedrooms.
Upstairs on the landing, a gap has been knocked through to provide access to all rooms, ie the twins room, and shelias. JB's parents room was at the front of the house, top right. Top left was a guest room, JB's room (?), opposite his was the bathroom.
The gun cabinet was in a small room (pantry) that is attached to the kitchen,
3. The theroy of Shelia shooting herself after murdering everyone else does not stand up. In any situation she would of had to disable her father first, so.......... if she did it, she would of had to go downstairs get the gun, affix silencer (screwdriver needed to turn grub screws), return upstairs shoot Mr Bamber, and then having not killed him, find herself in the kitchen where she fights him before finally killing him, then she goes upstairs, shoots her mum, her boys dead in there sleep, and now shelia gets clever - she returns downstairs, unscrews the silencer, buts it into the cabinet, goes back upstairs, props herself up, sticks her toe in around the trigger and shoots herself, then lays down, gets the bible,opens it at page Psalms 51 - ?, lays down and pops herself ??
It did not happen, and if anyone ever asked a jury or a judge to believe that should be found guilty just for there disrespect..
Believe me people, either JB did it, or someone else, there are no other possibilities to any sane minded human being.
I actually liked the guy, and if he stopped writing to me in block capitols and using court references to every point, id write more, he knows my views, but he insists its either him or shelia, and thats why i have my doubts, as the shelia idea does not stand up
Its as if everyone wants to solve the crime, when in actual fact it is not that difficult to do.
The courts have dealt with the polices handling of the case on several occasions, so they (sic) are not now going to say that as well as the police, the courts were wrong too.
If one accepts that there really are only two options ie Jeremy or a person unknown, then JB's denial of a 3rd person is extremely dangerous for him, as if it is proven (resonable doubt etc) that his sister didnt do it, there is only one option left.I personally feel the whole life sentence was a 'vote winner'/"conservatives tough on crime" etc, but you must understand that before such a judgement is made, the courts, the judges,the police and the family are all listened too - The home secretary would of consulted the DPP and asked if there was any chance he was innocent, however small - and that very point troubles me more than anything.JB's whole defence and appeals have been based on "you find a reason Im guilty, and like a rabbit out of the hat, I'll find a scenerio that disproves that".
There was alot more going on than JB has ever mentioned, meet me, come to our village, talk to the people who lived there,worked there,drank in the pubs,bought his coke - These are not teenagers with a grudge, but now, 50,60 & 70 year old decent people, On there own, there is NOT one person within 20 miles of WHF who has a decent word to say for him, or bar one, the cowman & his wife, but thats not about JB, but about the light aroplane,the landing lights and there dis-like towards the Boutfours & Eatons.
For what its worth I believe he is GUILTY of being involved in the murder of his family, I DID NOT say guilty of the murder.
Its easy being clever after the event, but had JB admitted his guilt early on, he would of been released after 16 years, it was when that point passed the HS made it a whole life tariff.
Get a life you lot - You are all guilty of discrediting this site. NO 8mm/9mm bullets found. NO den found, and if you really do think that they all got together and planned the whole thing, read his fathers will.
I imagine that if i asked you all to describe JB you'd all have the idea that he was a "simple farmers son, he worked on the farm, toiled all day, joined in the village fete, attended church, oh what a charming boy" !!!!!!!!
WRONG WRONG WRONG
And IF he hadnt been locked up and he was out today, he wouldnt of given you the time of day - He was "above his station", he thought himself far too important to talk to the likes of us, he was a playboy, he drove around like a nutter, he took drugs, showed no respect for the farm as a working farm, and if, as did happen on more than one occasion when i was there, if it was his turn to check on the heifers, or drive the combine, one of us would always get a late night phonecall saying he was stuck in London (ie too busy partying to give a toss about the farm)
1. Shelia DID not shoot herself. Either JB shot them all, or another unknown person, there are NO other possibilities, and it makes me cross that intelligent sensible people are concocting just rubbish so as to support there crazy ideas.
2. For Kaldin and others lets set out the house and pantry/cubboard/scullery for once and for all - WHF was originally built on a 'T' classic design. Front rooms, Front bedrooms across the front, and on the end of the "T" piece stands the kitchen, with a chimney stack on its gable end. At some point a extension was added on to that gable end, it had its own door into the yard, its own chimney stack, and its own staircase. It was originally the cowmans cottage. At some later date a door between the main house kitchen (right of the Aga) was knocked through. If you go through that door today you will enter the farm office, to the right of that room is a slim wooden staircase leading to a bathroom and 2 bedrooms.
Upstairs on the landing, a gap has been knocked through to provide access to all rooms, ie the twins room, and shelias. JB's parents room was at the front of the house, top right. Top left was a guest room, JB's room (?), opposite his was the bathroom.
The gun cabinet was in a small room (pantry) that is attached to the kitchen,
3. The theroy of Shelia shooting herself after murdering everyone else does not stand up. In any situation she would of had to disable her father first, so.......... if she did it, she would of had to go downstairs get the gun, affix silencer (screwdriver needed to turn grub screws), return upstairs shoot Mr Bamber, and then having not killed him, find herself in the kitchen where she fights him before finally killing him, then she goes upstairs, shoots her mum, her boys dead in there sleep, and now shelia gets clever - she returns downstairs, unscrews the silencer, buts it into the cabinet, goes back upstairs, props herself up, sticks her toe in around the trigger and shoots herself, then lays down, gets the bible,opens it at page Psalms 51 - ?, lays down and pops herself ??
It did not happen, and if anyone ever asked a jury or a judge to believe that should be found guilty just for there disrespect..
Believe me people, either JB did it, or someone else, there are no other possibilities to any sane minded human being.
I actually liked the guy, and if he stopped writing to me in block capitols and using court references to every point, id write more, he knows my views, but he insists its either him or shelia, and thats why i have my doubts, as the shelia idea does not stand up
Its as if everyone wants to solve the crime, when in actual fact it is not that difficult to do.
The courts have dealt with the polices handling of the case on several occasions, so they (sic) are not now going to say that as well as the police, the courts were wrong too.
If one accepts that there really are only two options ie Jeremy or a person unknown, then JB's denial of a 3rd person is extremely dangerous for him, as if it is proven (resonable doubt etc) that his sister didnt do it, there is only one option left.I personally feel the whole life sentence was a 'vote winner'/"conservatives tough on crime" etc, but you must understand that before such a judgement is made, the courts, the judges,the police and the family are all listened too - The home secretary would of consulted the DPP and asked if there was any chance he was innocent, however small - and that very point troubles me more than anything.JB's whole defence and appeals have been based on "you find a reason Im guilty, and like a rabbit out of the hat, I'll find a scenerio that disproves that".
There was alot more going on than JB has ever mentioned, meet me, come to our village, talk to the people who lived there,worked there,drank in the pubs,bought his coke - These are not teenagers with a grudge, but now, 50,60 & 70 year old decent people, On there own, there is NOT one person within 20 miles of WHF who has a decent word to say for him, or bar one, the cowman & his wife, but thats not about JB, but about the light aroplane,the landing lights and there dis-like towards the Boutfours & Eatons.
For what its worth I believe he is GUILTY of being involved in the murder of his family, I DID NOT say guilty of the murder.
Its easy being clever after the event, but had JB admitted his guilt early on, he would of been released after 16 years, it was when that point passed the HS made it a whole life tariff.
Did Shelia go down stairs, get the gun, load it, meet her father in the kitchen, over come him, shoot him dead before going back upstairs and shooting her own children and her mother, before popping downstairs, avoiding all sugar and blood, getting the silencer and going back upstairs, laying down, placing her big toe around the trigger before shooting herself several times, then arranging the gun on her torso, opening the Bible at the correct Psalm, placing it beside herself, before dying ?
Did JB take his mothers bike home to polish hr spokes ?
but
Did the police remove the landing lights and why ?
Did the Boutifours resent a drug taking lazy playboy taking the farm ?
Was Junkie Jules given police help in settling in canada ?
Did the police really not find the silencer, but 'point' the balfours in the general direction ?
Why are the family now selling up and emigrating ? Do they know "someones coming home and will want his farm ??
How did mothers bike get mud on its wheels unless it had been ridden down a muddy track ?
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If the courts refuse his leave to appeal, do we finally accept his guilt, and hope JB is man enough to accept it, or has he appealed for so long, he doesnt know anything else.
If you are not a liar, prove it. If you have misled people, have the balls to admit it.
You say look at myself - I am and all i see is YOU, a jealous silly little man who is jealous of mine,jules and richards contacts
I live within just 4 or 5 miles of the farm, my mother attends the same WI meetings as Mrs Eaton, I have worked there several times, i rent land off them - I KNOW without doubt JB was involved with the murder of 2 innocent children, shot as they slept. I KNOW without doubt he was involved in the murder of two lovely people who took him from a childrens home, gave him love, a lovely lifestyle, a fantastic education, and he was involved in murdering them. I KNOW without doubt he was involved in the wicked murder of his sister,
and IF you knew the people i know,live alongside, work with and socialise with, you would know alot more than you do now.
JB will never be released unless he tells the TRUTH, and if he is so wicked he can not do this, then he deserves to be where he is - had he done iit before 1967 and he would of been hung.
I am one of a very few villagers who hope one day he is released, and should he put the record straight, I have heard a family member say that should he come clean, his release would follow - as it is now, he will never be released
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You say look at myself - I am and all i see is YOU, a jealous silly little man who is jealous of mine,jules and richards contacts
I live within just 4 or 5 miles of the farm, my mother attends the same WI meetings as Mrs Eaton, I have worked there several times, i rent land off them - I KNOW without doubt JB was involved with the murder of 2 innocent children, shot as they slept. I KNOW without doubt he was involved in the murder of two lovely people who took him from a childrens home, gave him love, a lovely lifestyle, a fantastic education, and he was involved in murdering them. I KNOW without doubt he was involved in the wicked murder of his sister,
and IF you knew the people i know,live alongside, work with and socialise with, you would know alot more than you do now.
JB will never be released unless he tells the TRUTH, and if he is so wicked he can not do this, then he deserves to be where he is - had he done iit before 1967 and he would of been hung.
I am one of a very few villagers who hope one day he is released, and should he put the record straight, I have heard a family member say that should he come clean, his release would follow - as it is now, he will never be released
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