Sunday, February 20, 2011

Jeremy Bamber : AUDIO DS Stan Jones discusses the case Starts around 2.05

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00dfcft/Ian_Wyatt_12_02_2011

DS Stan Jones discusses how and why he first suspected Jeremy Bamber.

Transcript:

DS.Jones: He went over, across the field and appeared to be sick. Only in my opinion, he was'nt sick he was just acting. Little things later on ' Do we want a fry up ?'...in his house ?...having just lost all his family he is now inviting us for a 'fry up' in his house. I just find that, I just find that so strange. His actions, did'nt appear to be that of a person who has lost all of his family.


Full transcript to follow...

MUGFORD and Maxine Carr..both as guilty, Julie even more so, she knew of the murders before they happened, but Julies word alone did not convict Bamber, the silencer and proof of Sheils blood on it....also proving Sheila could not possibly have killed herself with the silencer attached. Therefore, did the police ever know it was Julie who handed the silencer to Ann Eaton, if in fact that is what she did do...was this knowledge kept among the family? the police in the dark, had the police known Julie would have spent many years in jail...so there was a deal among the family..proof that Bamber was the killer in exchange for Julies freedom ? Without the silencer police could not prove it was BAMBER.

Quote from Bamber forum
I am still struggling to believe the stories of Julie mugford

Let's just say she was telling the truth (and to confirm once again I do not believe her) Julie mugford apparently knew the murders were happening weeks before the event she knew about the murders the morning of the event and she believed Jeremy was responsible for the murders after they happened (it would be a billion to one Jeremy didn't carry out the murders if he had told her before on that morning). She showed no guilt in that month after.  No body could pull that off.  She faced no charges although her actions would almost definately stopped the police having the forensic evidence to prove conclusively how the family died. She was given immunity and became a teacher with children in Canada.  My believe is the police knew she was lieing all along or she would never have been allowed to teach.  She perverted the course of justice in 5 murders compared to another famous face Maxine Carr who perverted the course of justice in two murders.  Can someone explain why she was not charged please



Maxine Ann Carr
Born   16 February 1977 (age 33)
Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
Conviction(s)   Perverting the course of justice, Benefit fraud & Deception
Penalty   42 months imprisonment & 36 month rehabilitation order
Status   Released
Occupation   Teaching assistant
[edit]Maxine Carr
Maxine Carr had initially provided a false alibi to police for Huntley, claiming to be with him at the time of the murders when she was actually in Grimsby. She was charged with perverting the course of justice and assisting an offender. She pleaded guilty to the first charge and not guilty to the second.
Her failure to expose Huntley's lies in the early stages of the investigation (before either of them was arrested) meant that police initially eliminated Huntley as a suspect. The police who investigated the disappearance and murder of the two girls later said they would have quickly established that Ian Huntley was the abductor (and ultimately the murderer) of the two girls had Maxine Carr told the truth about their whereabouts at the time the girls went missing. But, due to her lies, the police were left waiting nearly two weeks before finally being able to arrest and charge him[14]
The court accepted that Carr had only lied to the police to protect Huntley because she believed his claims of innocence and so found her not guilty of assisting an offender. She was sentenced to three and a half years in prison and was released on probation on 14 May 2004 after serving 21 months (including 16 months on remand). She was given a new secret identity to protect her from threats of attack from members of the public that had been made during her remand, as well as during and after the trial.
Second quote:

 I know you've brought up the issue of Maxine Carr before, and I have to say I agree with you. Maxine said she was at the house when she wasn't, which was a lie, but she didn't cover up for Huntley knowingly - she was found not guilty of that. She didn't provide a false alibi as such, she just said she was there. She has been reviled by many people for that to the extent that she has to hide her identity now.

Julie Mugford did a similar thing in some ways - worse really as she claimed that she knew Jeremy had done it,
and yet I've seen nothing about her getting a hard Stime in the press or from the police or general public. She was not prosecuted for any of it. One could say that the prosecution needed her as a witness, but then Maxine Carr also testified against Huntley and was not given immunity.

Collected silencer

http://jeremybamber.com/jeremybamber5.htm

Saturday, February 19, 2011

MUGFORD and BOUTFLOUR....so no proof the silencer was ever found in the gun cupboard...just handed over to Ann Eaton by Julie ?..and Boutflour does the rest.

David Boutfour finds silencer in gun cupboard on 11th September 1985, and he contacts the police by telephone on that same date, informing the police that he had taken the silencer to his sisters house. The police collect the silencer from Ann Eatons house, later that (11th September 1985) date...

Friday, February 18, 2011

Julie MUGFORD at the funeral of Bambers three victims, victims Sheila knew her lover had murdered

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YQqDwrCj3pMJ:www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/past-crimes-the-bamber-files-2046383.html%3Faction%3DPopup+julie+mugford&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk

Julie MUGFORD: Silencer handed in weeks after murders by a family member....only an accomplice could have handed this over to a 'family member,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EDp_tqUysI

Julie MUGFORD : More convinced than ever that it was she who handed over the silencer..Poster knows too much not to be believed. Poster comments on the Bamber forum ..and yes Bamber is a nasty piece of work..I understand perfectly the fear of Julie Mugford. Poster , also well aware that SHEILA did not commit these muders ...'unscrews the silencer' no one in a manic state would be unscrewing silencers and no screwdriver with bloodstains found...BAMBER would have taken the silencer and screwdriver with him...

Comments from HorseyDave:


Get a life you lot - You are all guilty of discrediting this site. NO 8mm/9mm bullets found. NO den found, and if you really do think that they all got together and planned the whole thing, read his fathers will.

I imagine that if i asked you all to describe JB you'd all have the idea that he was a "simple farmers son, he worked on the farm, toiled all day, joined in the village fete, attended church, oh what a charming boy" !!!!!!!!

WRONG WRONG WRONG

And IF he hadnt been locked up and he was out today, he wouldnt of given you the time of day - He was "above his station", he thought himself far too important to talk to the likes of us, he was a playboy, he drove around like a nutter, he took drugs, showed no respect for the farm as a working farm, and if, as did happen on more than one occasion when i was there, if it was his turn to check on the heifers, or drive the combine, one of us would always get a late night phonecall saying he was stuck in London (ie too busy partying to give a toss about the farm)





1. Shelia DID not shoot herself. Either JB shot them all, or another unknown person, there are NO other possibilities, and it makes me cross that intelligent sensible people are concocting just rubbish so as to support there crazy ideas.

2. For Kaldin and others lets set out the house and pantry/cubboard/scullery for once and for all - WHF was originally built on a 'T' classic design.  Front rooms, Front bedrooms across the front, and on the end of the "T" piece stands the kitchen, with a chimney stack on its gable end. At some point a extension was added on to that gable end, it had its own door into the yard, its own chimney stack, and its own staircase. It was originally the cowmans cottage. At some later date a door between the main house kitchen (right of the Aga) was knocked through. If you go through that door today you will enter the farm office, to the right of that room is a slim wooden staircase leading to a bathroom and 2 bedrooms.
Upstairs on the landing, a gap has been knocked through to provide access to all rooms, ie the twins room, and shelias. JB's parents room was at the front of the house, top right. Top left was a guest room, JB's room (?), opposite his was the bathroom.
The gun cabinet was in a small room (pantry) that is attached to the kitchen,

3. The theroy of Shelia shooting herself after murdering everyone else does not stand up. In any situation she would of had to disable her father first, so.......... if she did it, she would of had to go downstairs get the gun, affix silencer (screwdriver needed to turn grub screws), return upstairs shoot Mr Bamber, and then having not killed him, find herself in the kitchen where she fights him before finally killing him, then she goes upstairs, shoots her mum, her boys dead in there sleep, and now shelia gets clever - she returns downstairs, unscrews the silencer, buts it into the cabinet, goes back upstairs, props herself up, sticks her toe in around the trigger and shoots herself, then lays down, gets the bible,opens it at page Psalms 51 - ?, lays down and pops herself ??

It did not happen, and if anyone ever asked a jury or a judge to believe that should be found guilty just for there disrespect..

Believe me people, either JB did it, or someone else, there are no other possibilities to any sane minded human being.

I actually liked the guy, and if he stopped writing to me in block capitols and using court references to every point, id write more, he knows my views, but he insists its either him or shelia, and thats why i have my doubts, as the shelia idea does not stand up



 Its as if everyone wants to solve the crime, when in actual fact it is not that difficult to do.

The courts have dealt with the polices handling of the case on several occasions, so they (sic) are not now going to say that as well as the police, the courts were wrong too.

If one accepts that there really are only two options ie Jeremy or a person unknown, then JB's denial of a 3rd person is extremely dangerous for him, as if it is proven (resonable doubt etc) that his sister didnt do it, there is only one option left.I personally feel the whole life sentence was a 'vote winner'/"conservatives tough on crime" etc, but you must understand that before such a judgement is made, the courts, the judges,the police and the family are all listened too - The home secretary would of consulted the DPP and asked if there was any chance he was innocent, however small - and that very point troubles me more than anything.JB's whole defence and appeals have been based on "you find a reason Im guilty, and like a rabbit out of the hat, I'll find a scenerio that disproves that".

There was alot more going on than JB has ever mentioned, meet me, come to our village, talk to the people who lived there,worked there,drank in the pubs,bought his coke - These are not teenagers with a grudge, but now, 50,60 & 70 year old decent people, On there own, there is NOT one person within 20 miles of WHF who has a decent word to say for him, or bar one, the cowman & his wife, but thats not about JB, but about the light aroplane,the landing lights and there dis-like towards the Boutfours & Eatons.

For what its worth I believe he is GUILTY of being involved in the murder of his family, I DID NOT say guilty of the murder.

Its easy being clever after the event, but had JB admitted his guilt early on, he would of been released after 16 years, it was when that point passed the HS made it a whole life tariff.


Did Shelia go down stairs, get the gun, load it, meet her father in the kitchen, over come him, shoot him dead before going back upstairs and shooting her own children and her mother, before popping downstairs, avoiding all sugar and blood, getting the silencer and going back upstairs, laying down, placing her big toe around the trigger before shooting herself several times, then arranging the gun on her torso, opening the Bible at the correct Psalm, placing it beside herself, before dying ?

Did JB take his mothers bike home to polish hr spokes ?

but

Did the police remove the landing lights and why ?


Did the Boutifours resent a drug taking lazy playboy taking the farm ?

Was Junkie Jules given police help in settling in canada ?

Did the police really not find the silencer, but 'point' the balfours in the general direction ?

Why are the family now selling up and emigrating ? Do they know "someones coming home and will want his farm ??

How did mothers bike get mud on its wheels unless it had been ridden down a muddy track ?

and

If the courts refuse his leave to appeal, do we finally accept his guilt, and hope JB is man enough to accept it, or has he appealed for so long, he doesnt know anything else. 

If you are not a liar, prove it. If you have misled people, have the balls to admit it.


You say look at myself - I am and all i see is YOU, a jealous silly little man who is jealous of mine,jules and richards contacts


I live within just 4 or 5 miles of the farm, my mother attends the same WI meetings as Mrs Eaton, I have worked there several times, i rent land off them - I KNOW without doubt JB was involved with the murder of 2 innocent children, shot as they slept. I KNOW without doubt he was involved in the murder of two lovely people who took him from a childrens home, gave him love, a lovely lifestyle, a fantastic education, and he was involved in murdering them. I KNOW without doubt he was involved in the wicked murder of his sister,
and IF you knew the people i know,live alongside, work with and socialise with, you would know alot more than you do now.


JB will never be released unless he tells the TRUTH, and if he is so wicked he can not do this, then he deserves to be where he is - had he done iit before 1967 and he would of been hung.
I am one of a very few villagers who hope one day he is released, and should he put the record straight, I have heard a family member say that should he come clean, his release would follow - as it is now, he will never be released




Said POSTER became abusive and removed from forum...



Julie Mugford would not be prosecuted for her petty crimes...

Officers Report,
Dated, 13th June 1991

(COLP)

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With regard to the decision  to prosecute Julie David Adams to a principle Assistant director, whose name he could not decipher. The note was dated 5th december 1985.

He stated that following the receipt of advice from counsel he had reached the decision not to prosecute Julie Mugford:-

(a)

In relation to the drug offences, as the evidence against her was her own admission, there being no other direct evidence, and ther fact that as a first offender, Essex police policy would be to caution her for the offence

(b)

In relation to the burglary at Osea Park Caravan site, her only involvement had been an unsuccessful attempt to get the key thereafter she could only be considered a bystander. He concluded that the burgalry charge should be withdrawn.

(c)

In relation to the cheque offences, the money had been repaid, the bank did not wish to prosecute. There was no chance of a successful prosecution.

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Mr Swan stated that he could not give us a copy of the note as it was covered by Public interest Immunity. However, he offered to write us a letter outlining the decisions made and the reasons for those decisions.

It was agreed that this letter would suffice for our purposes.

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S. C. Hutchins

Thursday, February 17, 2011

JULIE MUGFORD: Why was she allowed to just walk away ? because she handed in the silencer through a third party and that third party claimed to have found it in the gun cupboard ?

If we are to believe the evidence given by Julie MUGFORD to Essex police about knowing of plans to kill the family by Jeremy Bamber for up to a year before they were shot dead, and we are to take into condsideration her additional claims that Jeremy was supposed to have told her after the family had been shot that he had paid a local hitman by the name of Mathwew MacDonald the sum of ?2000 to kill everyone, and or, that Bamber himself had been responsible for the deaths, be it by planning to burn the house down after he had drugged everyone or by shooting them all, one is left to wonder why she kept quiet and did not try to warn the family that Jeremy intended to kill them all, she did not inform any of the relatives about Jeremys plans or any of her friends.

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Furthermore, when she went to identify the bodies of the victims at the Morgue she held a belief that she could communiticate with the spirit of the deceased, and in particular, Sheila Caffell, to find out what had happened and for her to be advised on what to do for the best? Julie Mugford kept all this information back from the family, the relatives and the police on occasions before the shootings and afterwrads..

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It was not until a month after the shootings that she may have been coerced by someone to speak to the police (7th September 1985) which as I have previously commented upon was the exact same date that another relative started to type up his diary entries where he describes his thoughts about Jeremy being the killer and more imporatnatly, how Jeremy had done it.
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According to the contents of a police action report she reported the so called confessions of Jeremy to the police in the third person on that date (7th September 1985) a clear indiaction that she had been told what to say be somebody else..
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Lets put things into perspective, what I would like to know is why wasn't Julie MUGFORD charged with aiding and abbetting Jeremy Bamber in the killings and trying to cover it up and with attempting to pervert the course of justice, or with being an accomplice?
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Myra HINDLEY, Rose WEST and Maxine CARR were implicated and stood trial for the parts they played in the crimes their partners committed, and so what was so very different about the suggested role that Julie MUGFORD played in the case of the White house farm murders?

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Julie MUGFORDS evidence was tainted as far as I am concerned, "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", she lied about the monies she had been promised by the News of the World for her exclusive story in the event that Bamber was convicted and she kept information from the family about plans to kill them and then after the family had been shot she kept information back from the police and the relatives for a whole month - and sandwiched in between all of this she had been seeking to try and communiticate with the spirit of Sheila Caffell to find out what had happened?


She also apparently went to the police (7th September 1985) to tell them all of these stories on the same date that another relative started to draft up his diary entries which contained his thoughts about how he believed that Jeremy had been the killer and not Sheila, and most importantly of all, when she went to the police on that occasion she reported Bambers so called confessions to the police in the third person (a clear sign that she had been put up to say what she apparently said on that occasion)..
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HINDLEY, WEST, CARR and MUGFORD, all have something in common, if the roles they played in their respestive cases is true, they should have been charged with criminal offences and been sentenced to terms of imprisonment, but in the case of MUGFORD, she was not even apparently arrested and interviewed under caution let alone charged, and she was never at risk of being convicted of any criminal offence. Could this be because the evidence and information she had to give was not the truth and that Essex police knew that it was not the truth and this is why they did not arrest her, interview her under caution and charge her, and why she was never at risk of being convicted of anything?

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The evidence of Julie MUGFORD was totally unreliable and misleading.

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The question that everyobody should be asking is "WHY WASN't Julie MUGFORD CHARGED with criminal offences connected with this case"?
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Was she really an accomplice (if her accounts were true)?
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Should her evidence have been treated differently and should the trial judge have warned the jury or cautioned them about the content of MUGFORDS testimony and the danger of relying upon it to convict Jeremy BAMBER of the five murders, and asked them to take into account the reason why she was not charged and standing in the dock with BAMBER, if what she had to say was true?

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YES (at least that is my opinion)...


http://www.studiolegaleinternazionale.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=311&sid=9c3883d95deb9500465df8fa160b61d7

Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Bamber and Mugford accomplices in the murder of five people...

Bamber and Mugford were made for each other and I have come to the conclusion they thought of themselves as some sort of modern day Bonny and Clyde . Julie a thief and a liar, Bamber, cut from the same cloth.

I have racked my brains as to the reason Bamber would ring Julie at 3am in the morning, convenient also that not a flatmate but Julie herself should answer the telephone. The call , an alibi for them both , flatmates woken by the call, Julie waiting for the call,  and nothing on record that the girls she shared with heard the conversation. The call was only needed to confirm Jeremy had phoned to relay the message that Ralph had phoned to say something was happening at the farm. Julie a willing accomplice. The call from Ralph, ficticious and the only 'proof' which was no proof at all of Nevills call. Julie and Bamber needed the flatmates as witnessess....

Julie Mugford, knows so much more but she was covering her own back from spite because Bamber had dumped her and not wanting to be implicated in any way she spilled her guts to the police.  Bamber was in between a rock and a hard place, he must have hated her for her betrayal and I can understand her fear of him ever being released, she and she alone knows what he is capable of , she saw the bodies, offered to identify them...saw the twin boys...and yes afraid for her own children and what he might do to them if he ever finds her. . Bamber ,unable to say she knew of his plans because this would be an admission of guilt.  BAMBER caught in his own web of deceit....Julie Mugford is as guilty, as if she herself pulled the trigger....

It would also not surprise me to learn that Bamber had taken the silencer with him back to his home and told Julie, if Julie knew where it was hidden who is to say at some point she did not pass it on to a family member...who decided to 'plant' and find it in the gun cupboard , accusing the police of 'sloppy work' along the way....after all the silencer was found in an empty box of ammunition with a slight trace of blood on it .....AND they all knew Sheila was incapable of such a crime, they just knew it.  No wonder they are terrified of Bamber being freed on a technicality. The idea was always crazy to think of someone removing the silencer and placing it in the gun cupboard , even crazier to suggest Sheila shot herself, returned the silencer to the gun cupboard, taking time to place it in the empty ammunition box, run  upstairs and  shoot herself again....BUT not so crazy to think Julie , filled with hatred and fear after her betrayal, to betray her ex-lover one more time and make sure he was charged with the crime he committed by handing over the silencer.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-144370/Ex-girlfriend-face-Bamber-dock.html
Mugford to face Bamber in the dock..

TWIST IN BAMBER APPEAL..MUGFORD NOT CALLED
KILLER  Bamber's appeal took a surprise twist yesterday when his ex-girlfriend Julie Mugford was not called to give evidence.

Ms Mugford - who has always said Bamber is guilty - flew from her home in Canada expecting to take the stand at the Appeal Court.

But after legal submissions the 37-year-old mum of two, who now lives in Winnipeg, was released as a witness. She left the London hearing without commenting.

Bamber, 41, is serving life for murdering five members of his family at their home in Tolleshunt D'Arcy, Essex, in 1985.

Miss Mugford said at the time he boasted to her he was going to kill his parents to claim a pounds 500,000  inheritance, 


  She stood beside Bamber at the family funeral when he cried "
This is a work in progress...to be continued